Board meeting now.

[Luke Schierer]

On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 09:38:03PM -0500, Lee Roach wrote:
> Sean Egan wrote:
> > xmpp:boardroom at conference.pidgin.im?join
> >   
> Is there a transcript available from the meeting?
> 
> --Lee

A transcript is attached. It shall also be posted on the imfreedom.org
website, once it exists, along with a summary/minutes version that I
will be writing in the next day or two.

luke

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<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T13:58:47-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Are all of the permissions set up for this room for this conference call?</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T13:58:55-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">do we know the JIDs of all of the board members?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T19:55:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">we do not</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T19:56:23-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">who is in charge of logging this</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T19:56:34-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">It's not fair that you can talk and I can't!</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T19:56:35-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;"> am</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T19:56:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Oh, I Can now.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T19:56:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I am</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T19:56:40-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Sweet</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T19:56:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">start affiliating</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T19:56:54-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Yeah, Luke's the secretary. He has to make minutes and stuff</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T19:57:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">all I have to do is sound important, and I'm </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: italic;">good</span><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande;"> at that.</span></span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T19:59:56-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">There. I have my finch instance logging.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:00:21-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">how do I make /affiliate work?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:00:24-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">;)</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:00:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Ah, faceprint's hooked up</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:00:37-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;"> /affiliate faceprint admin</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:00:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">It wouldn't let me</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:00:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">YAY</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:00:45-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">it should now</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:00:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">because you are an owner</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:01:59-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Let's wait a few minutes to see if anyone else shows up.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:02:20-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I've been told Evan is stuck in traffic and is on his way.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:02:31-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">and the two Marks?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:03:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Pinged doliner</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:04:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;"> I got a book all about how to be a chairman.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:04:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I'm gonna rock this.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:04:16-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(be right back)</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:04:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">roberts rules of order?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:04:23-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">yeah</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:04:28-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">It's a totally boring book</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:04:51-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">Knights of Columbus use that to run meetings. it can be interesting, but I've just sort of picked up bits and pieces </span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:04:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I've started walking around saying things like "The chair recognizes that this cookie is amazing!"</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:05:07-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">And ending conversations by saying "this meeting is adjourned."</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:05:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">haha</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:06:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">back</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:08:50-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">did we actually publish an agenda that I missed?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:09:02-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">we did not</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:09:48-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I meant to do that today, but I've been busy.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:09:52-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">There are only a few things on it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:10:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">i hope there's nothing requiring much forethought then</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:10:29-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">nope</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:10:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">If you'd like I can write an agenda up right now while we give the Marks some time ;)</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:11:28-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I narrowly missed oncoming traffic for Marks to be late, too? :)</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:12:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I'll give them three minutes.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:15:20-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Ahem.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:16:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The first annual meeting of the board of directors of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc is called to order.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:17:33-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Quorum call shows that Luke Schierer, Ethan Blanton, Evan Schoenberg, Nathan Walp, and myself Sean Egan are in attendance. Mark Doliner and Mark Spencer are absent.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:18:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair apologizes for not sending an agenda beforehand.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:18:28-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">First item on the imaginary agenda is the president's annual report.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:19:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Our legal obligations are, to the best of our knowledge, entirely resolved until May 4th 2008, at which date we are no longer allowed to refer to "Gaim," even in reference to it being the former name of Pidgin.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:21:23-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Our non-profit application is not yet filed with the IRS, although it is mostly complete. We have (I believe) 24 months from the date of formation in which to file, but we aim to file before our taxes are due, which is in October. In either case, the attorneys feel no rush.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:21:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Everything else is great.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:22:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair recognizes the treasurer to give an annual report.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:22:35-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">We have, as of May 9, 2007, $7,996.64 in our account</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:23:07-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">We have taken in $15,000, of which $3,000 was held for Adium Summer of Code mentors, and disbursed to them</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:23:22-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">we have spent $3,090.96 on artwork</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:23:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">we have spent $26 on wire fees</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:24:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">we have spent $103.87 on the setup of our credit card processing system, for such time as we are able to accept donations</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:24:21-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">we have spent $7.63 on postage</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:24:43-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">lastly, we have spent $775 on legal fees for incorporation and the settlement with AOL LLC</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:24:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">that is all I have</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:25:14-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Thank you. Does the vice president have anything to report?</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:25:21-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Nope</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:25:30-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does the secretary have anything to report?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:26:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">lschiere: Does the secretary have anything to report?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:26:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The Secretary has looked into the cost of a second Server.  DVLabs is unable to offer us anything other than a second vhost right now, due to temporary power constraints.  Kevin's company has an offer of a server more than adequate for our needs, for $80/month + a link/logo on the webpage footer.  They would be donating bandwidth to do that.  I am unable to find Kevin's email with the details of the machine right now though.  </span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:27:16-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">This is substantially less than ServerBeach or other reputable commercial hosting would offer</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:27:55-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">RLaager's company would not be able to match that, they would be mroe like $200/month, but Rlaager would need to get a firm quote from his boss</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:28:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">lschiere: Could you explain which the purposes for which we're interested in a second server? </span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:28:36-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">The advantage of a second server woudl be to to offload the trac load, which is, despite the changes we have made, still the most significant load on the server</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:28:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(these were mentioned on devl, but I think they're worth mentioning now)</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:29:03-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">splitting hte load would make it easier to survive a /. or other major news post without gooing down</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:29:21-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">and would also, on a daily basis, make it easier to enable functions that have currently been disabled, such as donations, to avoid extra load</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:29:29-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">or the trac mtn integration</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:29:53-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">the trac mtn integration alone makes this worth considering, because even without it, trac is pulling significant cpu time</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:29:58-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">and enabling it costs far more</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:31:08-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">The disadvantages are that it woudl be another machine to maintain, and that it would cost</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:31:29-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">luke: Do you know if there are any bandwidth limitations from Kevin's company?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:31:38-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">There are.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:31:50-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">It woudl be rate limited to approximately 10kbit/sec</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:32:17-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">which is more than we pulled on SF on a daily basis not counting downloads, mailing lists, or commits</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:32:33-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair proposes that the secretary continue to investigate the best solution to manage our server resources and report back to the board with the best solution.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:32:53-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:33:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor say 'aye'.</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:33:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:33:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:33:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:33:15-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:33:16-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">abstain. </span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:33:29-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:33:42-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">The Secretary records 4 votes, 1 abstention, and no nays</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:34:04-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">s/4 votes/4 ayes/</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:34:36-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">that concludes my report btw</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:35:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Thank you, Luke.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:35:32-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair proposes that the vice president continue to look into the possibilities of selling Pidgin tee-shirts and other merchandise, following up on <a href="http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Merchandise">http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Merchandise</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:35:40-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*seconds*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:35:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor say 'aye.'</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:35:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:35:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:35:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:35:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Sounds good to me, aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:36:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye, it'd be foolish not to</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:36:17-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:36:35-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The Secretary records unanimous ayes</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:37:33-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair proposes that the president looks into creating a proper website at <a href="http://imfreedom.org">http://imfreedom.org</a> to hold information relative to our organization, such as records, bylaws, etc.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:37:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*strongly seconds*</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:37:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:37:56-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor, say 'aye.'</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:37:59-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:38:00-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:38:01-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:38:20-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">It'd be neat if we could find a talented volunteer to whip up something simple...</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:38:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:38:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Perhaps a post to the Pidgin devl list after the meeting would give rise to a volunteer</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:39:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">if nobody in attendance is interested</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:39:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">the Secretary motions that the chair give thanks in a footer to DVLabs for our current hosting and to Blend for the webpage work they've donated</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:39:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">in the form of a logo/link</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:40:21-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">the chair motions that lschiere waits until one resolution is cleared before starting a new one, thank you very much ;)</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:40:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those opposed say nay.</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:40:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">i'm confused...what's the current motion</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:40:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Creating <a href="http://imfreedom.org">imfreedom.org</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:41:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">evands has not yet voted.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:41:25-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">the current motion is for an <a href="http://imfreedom.org">imfreedom.org</a> webpage.  the volunteer stuff is otu of order, as its not phrased as an amendment</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:41:34-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*bangs gavel*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:41:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:41:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">sorry, aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:42:05-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*records 5 ayes and 1 late vote (also aye)*</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:42:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I was pondering the next.  I'm in full agreement regarding <a href="http://imfreedom.org">imfreedom.org</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:42:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair requests that members abstain from speaking until recognized by the chair. The floor will be open to other business at the meeting's end.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:43:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Sweet.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:45:21-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">As our goal is to promote freedom in instant messaging, I propose that we start an open discussion on a mailing list about the best ways that our corporation can do this, to then be discussed at the next meeting of directors.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:45:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">point of information: which list?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:46:16-04:00"><div><a href="mailto:devel at pidgin.im"><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">devel at pidgin.im</span></a><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;"> would be </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: italic;">most</span><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande;"> appropriate, although clearly not totally appropriate.</span></span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:46:40-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">If the motion is seconded, the chair can open the floor to discussion.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:46:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:47:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The floor is open for discussion</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:47:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">A new mailing list would be </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: italic;">most</span><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande;"> appropriate but would have the least possible audience</span></span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:48:01-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I agree, I think using <a href="mailto:devel at pidgin.im">devel at pidgin.im</a> is a good idea</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:48:07-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">one thought would be to create a <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a> list, but yes, the limited audience would be a concern.  If we did the new webpage first, we could request suggestions there</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:48:13-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Everyone is recognized :)</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:48:14-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does anyone think that creating a new list for such discussion would be better than carrying it out on <a href="mailto:devel at pidgin.im">devel at pidgin.im</a>, which would reach a larger audience?</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:48:50-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">i'd like a clairification on the use of Gaim after may of next year: the penalty for an individual using the term would be a potential lawsuit against that person, and would not endanger IMFreedom, or the Pidgin, Finch, or Adium projects, correct?</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:49:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I think an open discussion is not only warranted, but desirable; however, I think we should make some effort to scope the discussion.  There already seems to be confusion about the possibility that IM Freedom, Inc. intends to somehow control Pidgin development.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:49:07-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Nathan, the floor is open for discussion of the present issue.</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:49:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">gah, sorry, got confused again</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:49:42-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I would like to encourage Adium developers to be participants in the discussion and in related discussions; doing so would be easiest on a new, dedicated list, scoped for general instant messaging freedom discussions and not discussion of instances of that freedom</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T20:49:42-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">elb: abating such confusion is a necessary activity</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:49:52-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">seanegan: I'm wondering what kind of feedback you're looking for?  The question "how can we make IM more free?" seems a bit open-ended</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:50:13-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">"how can we turn money into IM freedom?"</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:51:18-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Hmm, ok</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:52:43-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">This is a good way to ask the question; I think we should pose that question, and make it clear that it is a) not money to guide or control Pidgin development, and b) a decision which will have to ultimately rest with the board of directors of IM Freedom, Inc.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:53:37-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">It seems the board is favorable to creating a new mailing list hosted on <a href="http://imfreedom.org">imfreedom.org</a> for purposes of public discussion of the affairs of Instant Messaging Freedom, Inc.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:53:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does anyone have a suggested name?</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:54:00-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">and that we move the board@ list there, as it would be a more appropriate location</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:54:10-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Nathan, the board@ list is hosted there.</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:54:22-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">wow...i apologize</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:54:28-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">projects@, perhaps?</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:54:34-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I suggest <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:54:40-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">both work for receiving, they got out as @imfreedom.org</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:54:40-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">for general discussion</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:54:47-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I second <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:54:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*seconds discussion@*</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:55:02-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">i also prefer discussion@ to projects@</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:55:07-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Any comments on <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a>?</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:55:18-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The name of the list seems good to me, but I'm still not sure I have a preference on using that verse using <a href="mailto:devel at pidgin.im">devel at pidgin.im</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:55:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Would it be out of line to joke that we should discuss whether it should have its emails prefixed with [imfreedom-discussion]?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:55:40-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">mark.doliner: evands comment about involving adium developers seems persuasive to me</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:56:12-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">lschiere: Oh I missed that, thanks</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:56:15-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*bangs gavel at evands!*</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:56:35-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*makes conciliatory gestures at seanegan*</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:56:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*looks at seanegan's bright green inflatable gavel and chuckles inwardly*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:56:45-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion to vote on creating a new public list at <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:56:48-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">seconded</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:57:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor say aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T20:57:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T20:57:12-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:57:12-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:57:14-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T20:57:18-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:57:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:57:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*records unanimous ayes*</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:58:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Chair, I request the floor to make a proposal</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:58:42-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">request DENIED, punk!</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:58:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(hmph, I thought that was the right magic phrase.)</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T20:59:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I take that back. The chair recognizes Evan Schoenberg</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T20:59:12-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion to ask the president to email <a href="mailto:devel at pidgin.im">devel at pidgin.im</a> and <a href="mailto:adium-devl at adiumx.com">adium-devl at adiumx.com</a> inviting parties interested in constructive discussion of instant messaging freedom, outside the scope of specific projects' development and implementation, to join <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a> once it has been created</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:59:13-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">apparently the chair has other ideas on the next </span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T20:59:27-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*seconds evands's motion*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:00:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The floor is open to comments on the motion.</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:00:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Clarification: 'once it has been created' refers to the timing of the outgoing message. There is no reason to ask people to join a list which will be created in the future.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:00:50-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Acknowledged.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:00:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor, say 'aye.'</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:00:59-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:00:59-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:01:02-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:01:07-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:01:47-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Point of information: does one vote on one's own motion?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:01:56-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">typically yes</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:01:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">You may.</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:01:59-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:02:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair, though, typically abstains from voting except to break ties.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:02:29-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:02:54-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair asks for confirmation that the treasurer no longer requires the floor.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:03:20-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">confirmed</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:04:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Next point of business is director and officer elections. Currently all positions are up for re-election, and no position is opposed. Does anyone wish to nominate someone for a director or officer position at this time?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:05:24-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">nominations can be made by /msg if you do not have voice</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:05:50-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion to re-elect all directors and officers to their current positions.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:05:55-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:06:13-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">all those in favor of reelecting all directors and officers to their current positions say 'aye.'</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:06:18-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:06:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:06:20-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:06:22-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:06:31-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:06:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:07:55-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does any director have business to bring before the board?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:08:05-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*requests the floor*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:08:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The secretary has the floor.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:08:12-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(for a motion)</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:08:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*moves that future board meetings have a published adgenda no less than 1 week in advance posted to <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a> for public comment before we vote on a given issue*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:09:53-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does anyone second the motion?</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:09:59-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Point of information: Would issues not in the published agenda then be excluded from discussion?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:10:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">only from vote</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:11:15-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Last call for a second.</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:11:21-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I think having a published agenda is a good idea, but I think we should keep open the possibility of voting on random stuff on the spur of the moment</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:11:56-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Perhaps what Mark meant was "I second and move to ammend? ;)"</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:12:48-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I second and move to ammend</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:12:48-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">i second and move to amend</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:13:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The vice president has the floor</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:13:53-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Actually, strike that.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:14:17-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Let's discuss the first motion first, and then ammend it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:14:50-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">On previous votes, we used cabal for discussion then voted in board.  We had a week's lapse between proposal and vote</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:14:52-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I don't see a need to force ourselves to put issues on the agenda in order to vote on them at a board meeting</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:15:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">It seems like it'd be cumbersome</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:15:04-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I *think* but am not sure, that we actually required that of ourselves when we set up board@</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:16:22-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Luke's proposal would require follow-up meetings at least one week after an existing meeting, to cover any new agenda items, if we wanted agenda items to be handled only at board meetings</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:16:32-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">With meetings as a common occurrence, or a rolling discussion such as on a mailing list, that proposal makes a lot of sense</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:16:35-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair suggests that he will do his best to create a proper agenda before a meeting, but that it perhaps should not be legistlated. Also, if a meeting is properly announced, and a quorum of the board is willing to vote on an issue, there should be no need to artificially delay one week.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:16:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">however, we have the option of handling the voting on any items which are brought up at the meeting and require a vote by email</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:16:56-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Voting on mailing lists makes sense for a week, because we need to make sure everyone gets a chance to read it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:17:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">but.. the rest of my thought is fully mirrored by elb's comments above.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:18:22-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Is there a motion to ammend that we not require all issues to be published at least one week before voting?</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:18:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Yes, I motion to amend that we not require all issues to be published at least one week before voting?</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:18:55-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">s/?//</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:19:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Is the motion seconded?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:19:04-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">my concern is that right now, we bring something up, and its easy for us to vote on it before those not board members have a chance to comment, particularly if we aren't paying attention to /msg or <a href="mailto:devel at c.p.i">devel at c.p.i</a> at that moment</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:19:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">That being the motion to ammend.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:20:34-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">or amend, if you're picky about spelling.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:20:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">what is the amendment at this point? I'm confused</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:21:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Let's state the proposal in its entirety, superseding previous statements.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:21:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The amendment is to remove the requirement that only issues on the agenda may be voted on.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:22:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">query: that would leave of the motion only the requirement of the published agenda?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:22:16-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Correct</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:23:12-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:23:42-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">query: Is the published agenda simply a good faith effort at structure for the meeting, then, with no impact on actual discussion?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:24:04-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">evands: A much needed one! Look at me bumbling around up here!</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:24:17-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">seanegan: I didn't intend that to be a critique!</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:24:24-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The floor is open to discussion about the amendment. </span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:24:42-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">'simply' in this context means "nothing more than" with no judgement call, and I agree that such an effort would be worthwhile</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:25:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">It would mean that anything not on the agenda could only be discussed as "new business" </span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:25:15-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The amended motion would ensure that we at least know what is "old business" versus "new business", what is scheduled to be discussed, and what will be discussed when said scheduled material is finished</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:25:16-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(and possibly voted on)</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:25:52-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">So with an agenda, all scheduled material is first discussed; once that is complete, any new business may be discussed and, given a quorum, voted upon.</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:25:54-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Correct?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:26:00-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">that is my understanding</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:27:43-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does anyone have any other comments about the amendment?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:29:12-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The present proposal is to amend Luke's proposal to remove the requirement that all issues up for vote be included on an agenda at least one week prior to the vote.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:29:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*moves that said amendment be accepted*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:29:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">After voting on the amendment, we will vote on the original proposal, with or without the amendment as appropriate.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:29:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor of the amendment say aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:30:01-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:30:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:30:10-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:30:13-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:30:23-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:30:32-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:30:49-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Would the secretary please state the current proposal, in its amended form?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:31:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">In amended form, the current proposal is that there be a published agenda no less than one week prior to the meeting</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:31:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Are there any comments about the proposal?</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:32:07-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I think it rocks!</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:32:16-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">This sounds totally absolutely awesome!</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:32:34-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion to vote on the amended proposal.</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:32:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">seconded</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:32:48-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor say aye.</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:32:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:32:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:32:55-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:32:56-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:32:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:33:04-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:33:15-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Do any other members have business to bring before the board?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:33:42-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*requests the floor*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:33:53-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The secretary has the floor.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:34:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*motions that any proposal dealing with more than $100 outlay not be voted on except by email*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:35:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion acknowledged. Does anyone second the motion?</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:35:56-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second, and move to amend</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:36:25-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The treasurer has the floor</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:37:27-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I would like to amend the motion to read "Any proposal dealing with more than $100 in total outlay (one-time or recurring) shall be voted on only by email, with one week of notice, or in a board meeting, having been present in the agenda published one week ahead of time."</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:37:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*is confused by that wording*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:38:27-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair requests clearer wording :)</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:38:34-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">one second</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:40:13-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Any proposal dealing with the expenditure of more than a total of $100 (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of recurring expenditures), must be proposed at least one week before votes are collected.  It may either be proposed for an email vote with one week of notice, or proposed for vote at a board meeting, provided that the text of the proposal is present in the meeting agenda one week in advance.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:40:34-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*seconds amendment*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:40:45-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does anyone have any comment on the ammendment?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:41:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">That is a better execution of my intent with the original motion</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:41:27-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I agree with the purpose (as I perceive it) of Luke's proposal, which is to ensure that all outlays of any moment are known about and voted on publically</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:41:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I second the proposal</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:41:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The purpose of the current amendment is to allow such expenses to occur outside of e-mail, yet remain such that there is proper time to discuss the proposal before hand.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:42:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">evands: It's already been seconded ;)</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:42:11-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">however, the amended motion is intended to capture this idea, while still allowing discussion and vote at a board meeting if so desired</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:42:15-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Apologies, I missed that.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:42:32-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*moves to vote on the amendment*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:42:47-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Is the motion to vote on the amendment seconded?</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:42:55-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Second</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:43:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All in favor of introducing the amendment say aye.</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:43:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:43:10-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:43:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:43:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:43:25-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:43:29-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:43:43-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The present proposal is: Any proposal dealing with the expenditure of more than a total of $100 (either as a one-time cost, or the sum of recurring expenditures), must be proposed at least one week before votes are collected.  It may either be proposed for an email vote with one week of notice, or proposed for vote at a board meeting, provided that the text of the proposal is present in the meeting agenda one week in advance.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:43:54-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Are there any comments about the proposal?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:44:33-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion to vote on the proposal.</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:44:37-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:44:37-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">seconded</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:44:37-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">seconded</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:44:42-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor say aye.</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:44:43-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:44:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:44:45-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:44:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:45:14-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:45:18-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The ayes have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:45:32-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Does any director have business to bring before the board?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:45:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*surrenders the floor*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:45:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The board recognized Ethan Blanton</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:45:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair, that is.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:46:04-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">And recognizes, that is</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:46:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I would like to make a motion that the following information be put on the IM Freedom web page, when it is ready:</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:47:05-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">1) A statement clarifying that IM Freedom, Inc. does not direct the day-to-day development of Pidgin, libpurple, Adium, or any libpurple-related project.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:48:04-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">2) A statement that any funds donated to IM Freedom, Inc. in no way entitle the donator to any special privileges or control over the activities of IM Freedom, Inc. or the disbursement of their donation.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:48:40-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">3) Information regarding the public mailing list, <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a>, and the archives of <a href="mailto:board at imfreedom.org">board at imfreedom.org</a> (as appropriate).</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:49:27-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">4) A regularly updated statement on the activities being pursued by IM Freedom, Inc. as discussed on discussion@ and voted on by the board.</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:49:32-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(end motion)</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:49:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">seconded</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:49:45-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Any comments regarding the motion?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:50:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">#2 requires, legally, that we refund any directed donation after we achive 501c status</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:50:33-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">because a directed donation can legally only be used for the purpose the person donating directs</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:50:45-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(I've seen this happen with Churches)</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:50:50-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">have we accepted any directed donations?</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:50:56-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">#2 we may wish to discuss in the future -- in particular, I can see, once we put up bounties, that individuals may wish to donate for a particular bounty</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:51:05-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Are we planning </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: italic;">not</span><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande;"> to accept donations toward particular project bounties?</span></span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:52:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">we need to discuss how bounties are to be handled, so as to avoid appearing to direct the development of a libpurple project</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:52:47-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">bounties are not on the table now, they are an issue we will have to discuss in their own time</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:52:55-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">right</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:52:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">perhaps we should amend #2 to simply state that donations do not earn anyone control over the board?</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:52:59-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I think #2 overlaps with bounties</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:53:18-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">evands: yes, but this can always be amended later, once bounties actually exist</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T21:53:31-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(oops, I think I only get to comment twice)</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:54:48-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I propose to amend part 2 of the motion under discussion to read: A statement that any funds donated to IM Freedom, Inc. in no way entitle the donator to any special privileges or control over the activities of IM Freedom, Inc. or the disbursement of their donation, excepting if IM Freedom, Inc. or an accepted third party has agreed that such funds will be used for a specific purpose</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:55:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion acknowledged. Is there a second?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:56:24-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Last call for a second.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:57:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The motion to amend is dead.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:58:06-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Is there a motion to vote on the original motion: that the following information be put on the IM Freedom web page, when it is ready:</span><br /><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">1) A statement clarifying that IM Freedom, Inc. does not direct the day-to-day development of Pidgin, libpurple, Adium, or any libpurple-related project.</span><br /><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">2) A statement that any funds donated to IM Freedom, Inc. in no way entitle the donator to any special privileges or control over the activities of IM Freedom, Inc. or the disbursement of their donation.</span><br /><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">3) Information regarding the public mailing list, <a href="mailto:discussion at imfreedom.org">discussion at imfreedom.org</a>, and the archives of <a href="mailto:board at imfreedom.org">board at imfreedom.org</a> (as appropriate).</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:58:24-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Or does anyone have any further comment on the present motion?</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T21:58:25-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*moves to vote*</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T21:58:51-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">(original motion also includes:</span><br /><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">4) A regularly updated statement on the activities being pursued by IM Freedom, Inc. as discussed on discussion@ and voted on by the board.</span><br /><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">)</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T21:58:54-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">wasn't there a #4?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:59:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">My apologies</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T21:59:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Is the motion to vote seconded?</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T21:59:57-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I second the motion to vote</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T22:00:02-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">i second the motion to vote (with #4)</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:00:02-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">All those in favor of the proposal say 'aye'</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T22:00:05-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T22:00:08-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T22:00:09-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T22:00:10-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T22:00:14-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">aye</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:00:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The 'ayes' have it.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:00:36-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Is there any other business to be brought before the board?</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:02:05-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Going once</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:02:39-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">twice</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:03:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The chair thanks everyone for coming here tonight, and apologizes for the shakiness of our first shot at this.</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:04:05-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The secretary should write up minutes and introduce them at the next meeting.</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere" time="2007-05-15T22:04:16-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">willdo</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:04:26-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Which will be at a date to be discussed on <a href="mailto:board at pidgin.im">board at pidgin.im</a></span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:04:38-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Motion to adjourn.</span></div></message>
<message sender="faceprint" time="2007-05-15T22:04:41-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">second</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:04:46-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">*bangs gavel*</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:04:54-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">The meeting is adjourned.</span></div></message>
<message sender="mark.doliner" time="2007-05-15T22:04:58-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Sorry for being late!</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T22:05:03-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Seconded</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T22:05:07-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">thanks, guys</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:05:18-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I've lifted the moderator flag</span></div></message>
<message sender="evands" time="2007-05-15T22:05:19-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">Thanks everyone, particularly to Sean as chair for leading the meeting</span></div></message>
<message sender="seanegan" time="2007-05-15T22:05:44-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">So if anyone wants to stay around to be grilled by the peanut gallery, they're free to do so</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T22:06:14-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">that's mostly happened in devel at c.p.i in real time</span></div></message>
<message sender="elb" time="2007-05-15T22:06:17-04:00"><div><span style="font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 12pt;">I will be here for at least a short while</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T22:06:19-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">for those who *joined*</span></div></message>
<message sender="lschiere at pidgin.im" time="2007-05-15T22:06:33-04:00"><div><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Lucida Grande; font-size: 11pt;">I'll see any backlog, but I won't be around to respond</span></div></message>
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