feature request - with an explanation

Ivan Levchenko levchenko.i at gmail.com
Tue May 29 17:52:59 EDT 2007

Thanks everybody for the feedback, the time you took to answer my
emails. I really appreciate it.

Good Luck everybody and thanks a lot for Pidgin.


On 5/30/07, Ethan Blanton <elb at pidgin.im> wrote:
> Ivan Levchenko spake unto us the following wisdom:
> > I only send password via XMPP because the connection is encrypted via
> > ssl, and not encrypted via msn.
> For the record (and I know this is orthogonal), this really doesn't
> make the XMPP connection safe -- it is encrypted only to the server,
> which decrypts your IMs before forwarding them.  *If* the other user
> is on the same server, and also using SSL, then you only have to trust
> the server.  If the other user is either not on the same XMPP server
> or not using SSL, then the message is transmitted in plaintext over
> the Internet for some distance.
> > The idea of aliasing the contacts to use the xmpp accounts in
> > preference looks like a workaround and thanks for the idea, but it
> > really is a little uncomfortable. Even when pidgin used to group
> > different buddies into one contact, i always divided them.
> Note that it is *not* a workaround -- you are wanting to use protocol
> to indicate functionality, which is merely a coincidence, and not a
> solid indicator.  It Just Happens to work for you, right now, under
> these specific circumstances, but there is no reason to believe that
> it works for anyone else, or will continue to work for you into the
> future.
> > Thats why I think that there is no other option (at least for me)
> > other than pidgin and thats why I wrote this email - to see if it was
> > possible to get back the functionality that made it easier for me.  Is
> > there an option to add a voting for the feature?
> Voting for features is a bad idea.  If and when some users can come up
> with *real* use cases and real scenarios where protocol knowledge in
> the buddy list is truly the Right Solution, it will be added back in.
> "I want this because I want it" will never make it happen, and that is
> all that voting can tell us.
> I do appreciate your friendliness and willingness to listen on this
> issue; many users (see #414!) have not been so willing.
> Ethan
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Best Regards,

Ivan Levchenko
levchenko.i at gmail.com

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