Alternative MSN prpl

Gary Kramlich grim at
Thu Nov 29 23:59:22 EST 2007

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Luke Schierer wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:02:44PM -0600, Gary Kramlich wrote:
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>> Richard Laager wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 03:46 +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>>> I'm sure you do. But I'm not eager to go into the process of waiting
>>>> for months for my patches to get some feedback, let alone acceptance.
>>>> [1]
>>> The whole MSNP1[1234] upgrade has been problematic because nobody stuck
>>> with the development effort all the way through. People would show up,
>>> hack on the code for a bit and then give up in frustration because it
>>> was so bad. If the code was mergeable, it would've been merged.
>>> Richard
>> If the code is really this bad, then someone needs to stop adding
>> features and review it.  And when they're done reviewing it come up with
>> a decent plan, and make it clean.  And then repeat so that I can stop
>> hearing about how busted and ugly MSN is, and so that people don't need
>> to rewrite it out of tree.  If it requires core updates, then let's do
>> the core updates and force 3.0.0 and get other stuff that's waiting on
>> 3.0.0.
> *rant*
> No one ever wants to do this sort of work in tree.  No one ever wants to
> do it at all really, *anything* takes precidence over fixing partially
> written code.
> */rant*
> luke

The big problem I see here is that no one has documented exactly what is
wrong (read as ugly) about the current code.  Someone please tell me how
in the hell this is susposed to get fixed if there problem is never

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