Mailing List Shutdown

Gary Kramlich grim at
Mon Jan 9 21:22:50 EST 2023

Greetings Programs!

As many of you may know, we've been looking at how to transition our 
mailing lists. They have become very troublesome to manage and have 
become a huge tech debt now that mailman 2 is deprecated and it's not 
exactly straight forward to move to mailman 3.

We looked at a bunch of options, but at the end of the day determined 
that maintaining mailing lists just wasn't worth the effort. We 
considered the amount of time that has to be dedicated to fighting spam, 
  making sure that the large email providers will accept your mail, as 
well as the amount of traffic that we actually handle.

Because of all of this, we have chosen to use Discourse for discussions 
going forward. We have an instance running at 
and user accounts are tied into our single sign on provider that runs at

We will be shutting down the mailing lists on January 20th, 2023. The 
email servers will remain for a bit, and we will be sending replies to 
any incoming mail to the lists to point people to Discourse. I was 
hoping to get this information out to you all earlier, but things don't 
always work out as planned.

For you all who still package pidgin, please let me know your username 
on our Discourse instance so I can add you to the packagers. I haven't 
quite decided where we're going to put the packaging category but we'll 
get that figured out shortly.

Thank you for your understanding as we make this unfortunate but 
necessary change. If you would like to discuss this further, please do 
so on this discourse topic


Gary Kramlich <grim at>
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