[Pidgin] #5630: Create Whitespace boundary for the new input box

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Fri Apr 25 14:58:30 EDT 2008


#5630: Create Whitespace boundary for the new input box
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  Reporter:  arnabdotorg   |       Owner:        
      Type:  enhancement   |      Status:  closed
  Priority:  minor         |   Milestone:        
 Component:  pidgin (gtk)  |     Version:  2.4.1 
Resolution:  wontfix       |    Keywords:        
   Pending:  0             |  
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Comment (by deryni):

 Yes, UI items have behaviours people are used to. Those behaviours can be
 extended when necessary. Which is why we have made the effort to have as
 much of the window as possible be a click target for the input area. As I
 indicated this is a change which needs to be taught to people and ways to
 make this more obvious are welcome.

 1) We aren't hijacking anything, all of your examples continue to work in
 the history area, try them (we have attempted to make sure not to break
 any usage of it that we are aware of). Limiting ourselves to an accepted
 standard when we can do better isn't something we are keen on doing. (For
 the record I see nothing here that could be a "pain point" and really
 nothing even that I can see you requesting we change or do differently.)

 2) The toolbar icons are 16 pixels tall, unless your font is less than 8
 pixels tall the toolbar should be approximately 75% of the size of the
 input area itself. Even less at larger font sizes. The formatting toolbar
 is only that intense when you have it expanded, the default is unexpanded.
 Try that and see how it feels. I find it amusing that you suggest we run
 an eye-tracking experiment and then assume you know what the results will
 be, the entire purpose of experiments is to find that sort of thing out.
 We would be more than happy to have someone run such experiments for us
 and enlighten us with the results. Also, there is a reason we let people
 turn the formatting toolbar off, if you don't want it don't look at it.
 Almost everything on it has a default key binding anyway.

 3) I agree that adding padding will add less space than adding the third
 line, I disagree that adding the padding will materially affect either the
 visual or manual difficulty/ease in locating or selecting the area (again
 a real study here would be amazingly useful). Other ideas for ways to
 improve this are always welcome.

 What environmental behaviours do you think we are violating or differing
 from here exactly? We do have logical rationales for our beliefs, we have
 evidence that people have reasons for liking the change, we are largely
 lacking evidence for why people do not like the inability to resize the
 area (which is something I've futilely requested in every formulation I
 could think of), and while we are lacking hard data to substantiate our
 claims so (at least so far) are you.

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