[ANN] msn-pecan-0.1.1 released

Chris Forsythe chris at growl.info
Sun Aug 29 10:10:45 EDT 2010

On Aug 29, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm not sure if you intended to send this email to all the mailing
> lists,

I did. I'm tired of your crap, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one. If I was, I would expect 15 people to reply to me to tell me to shut the hell up. But the fact is that on irc someone said "The_Tick++"  almost immediately after they read my reply, and in my inbox is an email stating that almost all of the pidgin devs send your emails to the trash by filter rule, I can only figure that you're trying to use these lists as either recruitment, are trying to be intentionally annoying, or just don't know any better. 

Since I know I've said before to stop sending the drivel about how you got emotional about how you were treated by the pidgin devs treated you, and I remember (someone correct me if I'm wrong) you saying you would stop it. You haven't. You've definitely made it shorter, but it's gone. I honestly don't care too much about msn-pecan either way, but I do care about seeing crap, and this is crap.

> but now that you did, I feel compelled to reply the same way.
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Chris Forsythe <chris at growl.info> wrote:
>> On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> msn-pecan is a "fork" of libpurple's MSN plug-in in the same sense
>>> that MariaDB is a fork of MySQL; the former comes from the original
>>> author(s) due to the inability to contribute as wanted on the later.
>> Was this portion really necessary? You've been told numerous times to stop, and while this is much better than previous emails, this whole paragraph could have been removed and no value would have been lost in this email. You don't even start the email out with what the email is about, you just go into the whole rehashing of why msn-pecan exists. I get it, you don't like something, but get over it. You have something good going here, but it's tainted by the continued perceived hatred you are eschewing. Please discontinue this practice, it's simply annoying and childish at this point.
> Many projects start their release announcements by explaining what the
> project is. I'm simply doing the same.

No you aren't. Those announcements do not get spammed to other mailing lists, they usually just go to the relevant project's mailing list.

> If you want me to change that text I would like to hear a proposal
> that achieves the same thing:
> 1) Explains with clarity with the "fork" was stated
> 2) Points out the obvious biggest advantage of using this code
> Now, I'm not spreading any hatred, I'm merely stating the truth. I am
> overwhelmingly the main author of libpurple's code, and I've provided
> evidence to back that up. It seems to me that you just don't like to
> hear that fact.
> How about this:
> msn-pecan is an own-code fork of libpurple's msn that goes beyond
> libpurple, for a comparison see[1].
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/

This is not my point. You are not getting it.

There is simply no need to even bring that up, period. If someone wants to know the history behind a project, they simply google that project, and find the about page talking about that project. You decide to type a new "introduction" every time you send this out, when everyone on these lists already know what it is, and most of the people on the lists that I talk to are really just annoyed by you continuing it. It needs to stop Felipe, how do we get you to stop sending this portion of your announcements, or even your announcements, to these lists?

>> I'd unsubscribe from your emails, but I simply cannot. I like being on the adium development list, I don't like seeing things like this though. Can you please stop sending this sort of thing, and just keep your release notices informational about the actual changes/improvements/project progress? I think that'd make life easier for people who are interested in your project.
> So you don't want to receive these mails because of a one line
> introduction? You can't unsubscribe, but you can filter.

How do you suggest I filter messages when I'll still see replies?

If everyone pretty much filters your emails, isn't it easier to just have you stop sending them, or ban you? Don't read into this, I'm not saying I'm going to ban you. But it would be easier than telling you, repeatedly, to stop sending this garbage. It would also be easier than 30 copies of the same rule in different mail clients.

msn-pecan is not relevant to Adium until it ships with Adium, if it ever does. If msn-pecan were relevant, I could see a "hey guys, I updated msn-pecan, click http://myfancy.url to find out more!" would be great. But it's not the reality of the situation here. msn-pecan doesn't ship with Adium, and likely isn't going to for a while. So why am I still seeing messages from you basically saying "haha, I coded my own because I couldn't get along! I made a fork and I maintain and update it, woohoo!" followed by a list of changes that you mostly make, that I could find with google or by looking at a changelog?

>> Is there an msn-pecan mailing list? If so, maybe these updates are more appropriate there anyhow?
> The mail is also sent there,

So why not just keep the release notices there? 

> but msn-pecan has many Adium users as well.

So then those users would be updated when you email that list. Anyone on the adium or pidgin lists who want updates about msn-pecan can go to your mailing list, subscribe, and get updates. 


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