What's with all the hostility?

Daniel Atallah datallah at pidgin.im
Wed Feb 8 13:02:25 EST 2012

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 08:21, Ryan K <travellintroll at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am afraid that I do not know much about this type of thing.  That is why I
> ask questions.  It is very important to me however that I ensure my own
> security and the security of those I communicate with.  It is a matter of
> freedom of speech.  I sense some hostility in your reply.  I'm not sure
> why.  I assume it is contempt for anyone who does not understand code.  At
> least I am capable of understanding the complexities of common courtesy.
> Ryan

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>> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:05:43 +0000
>> From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk
>> To: travellintroll at hotmail.com
>> CC: support at pidgin.im
>> Subject: Re: Using Pidgin with TOR
>> Ryan K wrote:
>> >
>> > TOR reports that Pidgin has a bug that results in DNS leaks when using
>> What is TOR?
>> I've never heard of a DNS leak before. Apparently it means that DNS is
>> handled by the normal servers, rather than by those provided by some
>> sort of anonymising proxy service. The presumption is, presumably, that
>> the ISP, possibly at the behest of the government, is doing traffic flow
>> analysis on you by analyzing your DNS requests, to your disadvantage.
>> I'd be surprised if Pidgin uses anything other than standard OS services
>> for DNS, so I'd suggest that this level of distrust of ISPs (and trust
>> of the anonymising service) requires a deeper understanding of the
>> complete system than the OP seems to have. I would suggest you would
>> need to be using a completely open source system, and have a good
>> understanding of how it all works.
>> Maybe all it really means is that Pidgin uses DNS, presumably to
>> validate addresses, or canonicalise them.
>> > XMPP. If I use Pidgin with only other Pidgin users, do I require XMPP.
>> > Can XMPP be disabled?
>> XMPP can be disabled by removing the relevant plugin. You will lose the
>> ability to access Facebook and Google instant messaging services, as
>> well as most corporate ones. Of course, simply not using XMPP based
>> services will mean that the XMPP code is never run, which will also
>> avoid any DNS related code that it contains being run.
>> You should, of course, verify this by inspection of the source code, as
>> you can't trust us!
>> On the other hand, maybe the "troll" in the username is not far from the
>> truth.
>> --
>> David Woolley
>> Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want.
>> RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam,
>> that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work.
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