String frozen for 2.2.0

Martin Srebotnjak miles at
Mon Sep 10 14:59:56 EDT 2007

Sorry, I was not clear, maybe. It's not just the gender, it's also context
and then there are language specifics - Slovenian has 6 cases, mostly for
every one case the word changes (not like for English where the noun stays
the same, whatever you do with it), and we have singular, dual and plural,
plus the gender and there you go.

Since I don't know what noun is used and with what verb I am sure that
whatever you will put there automatically as %s, it will be just
grammatically wrong.

Lp, m.

On 10/09/2007, Ethan Blanton <eblanton at> wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-09-10 at 17:52 +0200, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> > Strings
> >
> > "Attention! %s %s." - around line 12052
> >
> > and
> >
> > "Attention! You have been %s." - around line 12062
> >
> > cannot be properly localized because there is no description what %s
> > refers to.
> > If it's a verb, then it cannot be properly localized in languages that
> > use several different verb conjugation forms.s (for male, female,
> > etc.).
> > For sure in Slovenian I cannot translate these two strings sot that it
> > will work for all combinations properly..
> This string is suboptimal, and will be replaced with something with as
> much context as possible -- probably everythign but the single local
> or remote username.  However, providing enough context to localize
> with gender is probably not possible, given the state of the
> translation tools today and the information available on various
> protocols; for one, we don't always (or, on some protocols, *usually*)
> know gender to begin with, and for another, there is no gendered
> gettext translation method.  While we could get around this in the
> source, it is complicated and ugly (in order to prevent the English
> source strings from being identical, there would have to be
> disambiguating text which was removed for untranslated text, or else a
> translation would be required for "untranslated" text; the latter
> makes LANG=C problematic), and not a good solution.
> I think this is a case where you'll just have to do the best you can,
> using gender-ambiguous phrasing if possible, or some sort of alternate
> (equivalent to the english (s)he or his/hers) where not.  I'm sorry
> about that, but I, at least, don't see another solution.
> I expect there are quite a few phrasings which have this same problem
> in Pidgin, particularly for languages with gendered modifiers; is that
> not the case?
> Ethan
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